A few years ago, I was invited by Nuria Ciofalo to show an early cut of FALL AND WINTER at the Pacifica Institute. I was very excited, as I'd be showing both students and faculty the film at this wonderful Jungian depth psychology graduate school. I had just completed interviewing both Betsy Perluss and Stanislav Grof, so I thought I would weave their interviews into something that we could all watch and critique. This process helped me tremendously in finding the right elements to show in the finished film. I think the interviews were very illuminating, so I'm happy to share a more in depth version here.